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Errors in the summary of today's or tomorrow's featured article[edit]

TFA today[edit]

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Errors in In the news[edit]


Please change the blurb from:

Scientists describe ʻOumuamua, the first apparent interstellar object to pass through the Solar System.


Scientists describe ʻOumuamua, the first detected apparent interstellar object to pass through the Solar System.

There have presumably been zillions of undetected interstellar objects that have passed through the solar system. Of course 'detected' is arguably already implicit in 'apparent' but that is debatable, so it seems sensible to add one extra word so it stops being debatable. Tlhslobus (talk) 10:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Alternatively 'observed' would do instead of 'detected'.Tlhslobus (talk) 10:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Or 'known'. Modest Genius talk 10:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Excellent word, and short, Modest Genius. Thanks. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Please change 'auto racing' -> 'stock car racing'. Auto racing is a term used only in AmE; we could use 'motor racing' per MOS:COMMONALITY, but 'stock car racing' is more informative (and a better link) anyway. Incidentally, why do we have separate articles on auto racing and motorsport, which largely duplicate each other? Modest Genius talk 10:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Errors in today's or tomorrow's On this day[edit]

OTD today[edit]

I would say not - too many unsourced paragraphs. Alex James (musician) is even worse. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
References added now. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 17:34, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Annie (singer) still has several unreferenced claims, eg: ""Heartbeat" was remixed by Canadian electronic duo MSTRKRFT in 2005.", "Don't Stop leaked in its original incarnation in 2008", "and re-recorded her songs "Chewing Gum" and "Heartbeat" in Simlish for The Sims 2: Nightlife's Danish and Norwegian localisations." and "Annie co-wrote Mini Viva's debut single "Left My Heart in Tokyo", released in September 2009 and produced by Xenomania." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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Errors in the current or next Did you know...[edit]

DYK current[edit]

I find the blurb "...that Nomfunelo Mabedla successfully campaigned for the former flag of South Africa (pictured) to be removed from the Castle of Good Hope because it upset her?" a bit odd. The woman sucessfully campaigned to remove a flag that upset her. And what does the DYK project do? Put up the flag that upset her right next to her name. Is this fully thought through or am i just reading too much into it? (talk) 09:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I think you are reading too much into it. The image was used as a point of reference for those who might not know what the flag was. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:18, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
She objected to flying the flag as it was a symbol of racist oppression. Its not necessary to know what the flag looked like to understand that - the actual visuals of the flag are irrelevant. So yes it is completely tasteless to slap a picture of something someone campaigned against next to their name on the front page of Wikipedia. Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
(ec) But that is the point, the picture itself does not convey the history of the flag and what it represents at all. I mean what does it illustrate in the context? How it looks, sure. But the history of the flag in not explained by a picture. Add to that that the whole point of her campaign was to remove something upsetting to her, putting her name next to it just seems... weird to me (talk) 09:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The picture conveys where the flag was at a certain time to allow others to form their own opinions. The hook itself makes it very clear that she got it removed, so it is not in any sense glorifying a Marmite flag. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:35, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Their own opinions of what? What the flag looks like? How is that relevant to it being the symbol of a repressive racist regime? Only in death does duty end (talk) 09:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
To describe her as "upset" does seem to trivialize a serious and meaningful issue. Haploidavey (talk) 09:38, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The hook makes it very clear where the flag was as well. How does showing a seemingly random picture of a flag infront of a skyline illustrate her achievement of getting a flag representing racist minority rule removed? (talk) 09:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, the hook has deliberately trivialised the issue to make it sound interesting, which it doesn't, it just makes it look rather sad and not reflective of the matter at hand. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK next[edit]

Errors in today's or tomorrow's featured picture[edit]

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Errors in the summary of the last or next featured list[edit]

General discussion[edit]

Today's birth anniversary[edit]

150 years ago Marie Curie was born! BasileusAutokratorPL (talk) 11:51, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Added. Jenks24 (talk) 12:17, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, but Marie Curie is already included on Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/December 26 and thus is not eligible to appear today. howcheng {chat} 16:28, 7 November 2017 (UTC
I disagree that Marie Curie's birth (or death) was ineligible for inclusion on the grounds stated. The relevant guidelines suggest to me that either birth or death, but not both, are eligible, provided that the person is not already otherwise commemorated (see criterion 6.3). However, the December 26th anniversary is not of Marie Curie in her own sole right, but for her and her husband's discovery of radium, which I think is a sufficiently different thing from her own birth/death as to not exclude them.
Obviously, this sort of issue could arise with many other eminent scientists, explorers etc. so needs to be clearly understood. Are there definive precedents and decisions? {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
The article is featured on that date already. That's what the guideline prohibits: Furthermore, if the person is featured (bold item) as a regular blurb on any day, they may not be chosen for birth/death listings. Exceptions are made when the day in question is lacking a selection of decent articles (i.e., only reuse it if we're desperate). howcheng {chat} 23:05, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Am I missing something? On Dec 26 the radium item is in the 'eligible' section, not actually selected for use. Furthermore, it should really just have radium as the bold link, because the discovery of that element is the relevant historical event, not the biographies of the two Curies. Why have three bold links in the same item? Modest Genius talk 11:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
We can bold radium in that blurb as well. Having multiple bold links in a blurb is fairly common. howcheng {chat} 17:09, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Modest Genius that the Dec 26 anniversary is of the discovery of radium and should only have radium as a bold link. This would permit these two eminent scientists (who also discovered many other things) to have their own articles featured on the anniversaries of their births (or deaths).
Consider the Higgs boson: the team that actually discovered this comprised hundreds of scientists, some of them eminent now (and perhaps more of them eminent in the future). Would we forever prohibit every one of them being featured on their own significant birth or death anniversaries if the Higgs boson discovery announcement (4 July 2012) was itself featured? {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 00:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
I can only agree with Double sharp (talk) 01:49, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
People shouldn't think of this as preventing Marie Curie from appearing twice, but rather as weighing the difference between allowing one person's name to appear twice if that would mean that another deserving article didn't get to appear at all. There's a limited space, and spreading out articles is a Good Idea. Howcheng is a reasonable person, and knows that odd situations and unique anniversaries do arise. He's not blindly applying arbitrary rules, and I trust he has a healthy and useful understanding of WP:IAR for situations where it is necessary. He's doing just fine here. --Jayron32 15:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
There will #always# be more articles, anniversaries, 'newsworthy topics' etc than can appear on the Main Page - apart from when there are not enough.
Looking at the discussion from the other direction - the more dates the more opportunities for filling quiet days and/or avoiding complaints of 'this has appeared today on the Main Page five times in the past six years' and similar. (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Howcheng knows all of this. Let them do their job. They're doing fine so far. --Jayron32 16:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
No-one accused anyone of doing a bad job, there were just some suggested improvements. Personally I think it's better to include Marie Curie on her birthday than bold her name on 26 Dec, when it's not really related to the 26 Dec event. More to the point the 26 Dec event isn't even in the rotation. Modest Genius talk 17:12, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

And how many days of 'everybody agreeing that several the MP and its links are truly wonderful' will mark the start of the apocalypse? 17:03, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Today's Featured Article - photo choice for Presque Isle State Park TFA blurb[edit]

I am one of the main authors of Presque Isle State Park and had no idea it was even nominated for TFA. While I am glad to see it so honored, the photo chosen for the TFA blurb on the Main Page (a snowy parking lot in a forest File:Presque_Isle_State_Park_in_the_Winter.jpg) does not do a great job of conveying what is special and unique about the park. Pennsylvania has 121 state parks, but only two of them are on its Lake Erie coastline. Presque Isle State Park (the name means "almost an island" or "peninsula" in French) is surrounded by water and almost all of the attractions in the park are water related, but the picture conveys nothing of this. Ignoring maps and template images, there are 12 photos in the article, 8 of which show the water (and a 9th shows the most picturesque lighthouse). Of the other three photos, one is the Tom Ridge Environmental Center (on the mainland, at the entrance to the park), one is a cerulean warbler (which was photographed in Canada), and the last is the snowy parking lot picture currently on the main page. Could we please pick a more representative photo from one of the others used in the article? Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

I was BOLD and put File:PresqueIsleStatePark.JPG in the blurb. I will not edit war if someone wants to revert or prefers a different picture (and in the interest of full disclosure, I took five of the park photos in the article). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:27, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
That's a good decision; the aerial image is unquestionably better. I only glanced at the first picture when it was on there, but I remember wondering what it was; I've only been to Presque Isle once (in early November, to photograph the light), so I figured that it was some special location or otherwise an important photo. I'm quite confused as to why a snowy woodland scene, which could be anywhere, was chosen. Nyttend (talk) 14:04, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
The new picture is absolutely better. Given that it matches the text and illustrates it directly, it is far more appropriate.--Jayron32 16:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC)