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This page is for nominations to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page. For the discussion page see WT:DYK. Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Contents

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
September 11 1
September 23 2 1
September 27 1
October 4 2 1
October 6 1
October 8 2 1
October 9 2
October 16 1 1
October 18 1
October 20 1 1
October 22 2
October 27 2 1
October 28 4 1
October 29 2 2
October 31 3 1
November 1 1
November 2 4 1
November 3 3 1
November 4 7 4
November 5 5 3
November 6 8 8
November 7 15 11
November 8 16 7
November 9 12 9
November 10 15 14
November 11 12 9
November 12 11 7
November 13 12 4
November 14 13 7
November 15 13 5
November 16 7 3
November 17 6 1
November 18 21 2
November 19 8 5
November 20 3
November 21 4
Total 223 111
Last updated 15:45, 21 November 2017 UTC
Current time is 16:42, 21 November 2017 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began, not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]

Backlogged?[edit]

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
  • Add a link to the nomination subpage at Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed to help in tracking removals.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on September 11[edit]

Patrick Henry Cronin

Famous murder victim Dr. Patrick Henry Cronin
Famous murder victim Dr. Patrick Henry Cronin
  • ... that in 1889, nearly 12,000 people came to view the coffin of Patrick Henry Cronin, who was murdered because of his involvement in a secret society? Source: Hunt, Henry M. The Crime of the Century; or, The Assassination of Dr. Patrick Henry Cronin. A complete and authentic history of the greatest of modern conspiracies. University of California Libraries. Chicago : H.L. & D. H. Kochersperger, 1889, pp. 224.
    • ALT1:... that the Patrick Henry Cronin murder trial was, in 1889, the longest running in American history? Source: O'Brien, Gillian. Blood Runs Green: the Murder That Transfixed Gilded Age Chicago. The University of Chicago Press, 2016.

Created by MidwestCuttlefish (talk). Self-nominated at 18:35, 12 September 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Nomination is late, but squeaks by via Rule D9: new as of 1 August and 5x expanded starting 29 August, so newer than the oldest on the nominations page (23 August). In addition, it's only MidwestCuttlefish's 4th DYK, so leniency is more appropriate. Article is long enough, sourced, and hooks check out with inline citations. QPQ provided but not necessary. Although several of the defendants were ultimately acquitted, that two were found guilty (without verdicts being overturned) seems enough to sustain the claim made in ALT0. MidwestCuttlefish, you should probably also add the claim in ALT1 to the body of the article, not just the lead. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm concerned that some of the phrasing in this article is too close to that of its sources. Compare for example "Thousands of members quit Clan na Gael in sympathy, forming their own camps" with "thousands of members quitting Clan-na-Gael in sympathy and forming their own camps". Nikkimaria (talk) 13:39, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Note: the nomination was not late, contrary to the original review, since it was moved from a user sandbox to article space on September 11, one day prior to its nomination. The close paraphrasing still needs to be addressed, but since the nomination disappeared from the DYK pages after it was pulled from prep and was just restored and the nominator notified today, nothing is considered late due to that disconnect. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:16, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Close paraphrasing has been addressed. MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
  • No, the particular example provided has been edited - suggest comparing article against sources to guide further work in addressing close paraphrasing. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:22, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
I ran the Copyvio detector and edited the issues. Maybe you could be more specific about what you're objecting to? MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Copyvio detector will only detect exact matches - that's not the primary issue here, my concern is close paraphrasing. To give you another example, compare "Clan na Gael was a secret revolutionary society devoted to forcibly freeing Ireland from British control, a spin-off of the Fenian Brotherhood. The Clan was popular among Irishmen and Irish Americans, and by the 1800s, the Clan had 40,000 members. The organization was skilled at fundraising for Irish causes" and "Clan na Gael was a secret revolutionary society dedicated to freeing Ireland from British control by force. An offshoot of the Fenian movement, it proved enormously popular among Irishmen and Irish Americans in the United States, and by the late 1880s its membership had swelled to 40,000. The Clan excelled at fundraising for the Irish cause". The two are not identical and so will likely not be flagged by the tool, but they are too close. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
I made a few more changes, but I feel some instances that you consider close paraphrasing are because there are limited numbers of ways to say the same thing. Maybe we could get another opinion. MidwestCuttlefish (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria: Have your concerns about this nomination been met? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: See here. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:21, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
There have also been similar concerns regarding close paraphrasing in MidwestCuttlefish's other current DYK nomination, Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Chambers Morgan. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @MidwestCuttlefish: You asked for a second opinion on this nomination so I compared the article with one of its main sources using "Duplicate Detector" and I agree with Nikkimaria. It's not that passages have been copied wholesale from the original, but the structure of the paragraph tends to follow that of the source, with various substitutions of different words. You should look at the advice given here, where it states that you should "review information from reliable sources, extract the salient points, and use your own words, style and sentence structure to draft text for the article". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:21, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 27[edit]

Mausoleum of Abu Huraira

The portico facade, 2010
The portico facade, 2010
  • ... that the Mausoleum of Abu Huraira has been called "one of the finest domed mausoleums in Palestine"? Source: Petersen, 2001, p. 313
    • ALT1:... that the ‘’’Mausoleum of Abu Huraira’’’, also known as the Tomb of Rabbi Gamaliel of Yavne, has been described as "one of the finest domed mausoleums in Palestine”? Source: Petersen, 2001, p. 313

Moved to mainspace by Huldra (talk) and Onceinawhile (talk). Nominated by Huldra (talk) at 22:22, 1 October 2017 (UTC).

  • New enough (but please in future give date moved from draft), long enough, reads well (though a bit confusing on the actual building history, or it its early phases), AGF on hook quote. Earwig finds nothing - or rather one one source that has not been used but should be - I've added a note on the article talk. GTG - signing late. Johnbod (talk) 01:20, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I suggest to wait till the RFC end to solve any NPOV issues. Shrike (talk) 14:30, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There was no icon given to the original, unsigned review, but the article should not be approved until problematic sentences like The formation of Jewish sacred place was based on the argument that many Jewish sacred burials were Islamized during history of the region. have been fixed, and the tags in the article related to the RFC have been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry; that was me. It was meant to be GTG at the time, but there has been a fair deal of contentious editing since my review, including Shrike adding the sentence you have rightly highlighted as near-gibberish. Johnbod (talk)
  • Note DYK hook (and to a lesser extent the article) contains some rather strong POV language. The tomb is located within Israel proper (deep withing pre 1967 lines), and the tomb is an officially designated Jewish shrine as Rabban Gamaliel's Tomb which is also how it appears on contemporary maps. Stating the tomb has been described as one the finest in Palestine may confuse the modern reader. That this statement was made by a modern writer in 2001, is an indication of possible bias in the source chosen.Icewhiz (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
    • Sigh. That quote is from a Professor in Islamic Archaeology, in UK. That is about as RS as you can get. That you-don't-like-it: yeah, we get it. But unless you have a WP:RS who says that the present language is "strong POV language", then the above is just your 2 cents, Huldra (talk) 21:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
      • RS on Islamic Archaeology perhaps (have not checked his creds). Not on geopolitics, where he may have a POV (or his original quote may have been clear in referencing the historic region, if so this has been lost in the quotation). Stating that a location in one country is in a diffrrent entity is tantamount to denying the existence of the former - which is highly POVish.Icewhiz (talk) 21:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
        • Actually, no. It is rather standard Archaeology etc, to use the name Palestine, as it has been since the 19th century. It does not refer to a country, but a region, Palestine, Huldra (talk) 21:49, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
          • 1. This is not used by all authors. 2. This is improper for DYK, without context, the current quote to a reader passing by implies that this is not in Israel.Icewhiz (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
            • Did you see the article it leads to, Palestine, or without piping: Palestine (region)? It clearly shows that the area includes Israel. Yes, yes, we know that some are allergic to the word "Palestine"...that doesn't mean that WP:RS are allergic to it, too. Huldra (talk) 22:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
              • The article is in a better state in this regard in that Israel is in the first sentence (I do however intend to expand the Jewish history and present use). The DYK text is a problem. Using a piped link to a meaning that is not the one usually used, while omitting Israel, conveys an impression to the reader that does not look at the source or click every link. This could be a very nice article and DYK if POV were not asserted.Icewhiz (talk) 03:55, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above

Martin Luther
Martin Luther
  • ... that "Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above", originally in German as "Vater unser im Himmelreich", by Martin Luther (pictured) and translated in 1863 was one of the more aggressive hymns that challenged Catholic teaching during the Reformation? Source: The Sound of Light: A History of Gospel and Christian Music. Hal Leonard Corporation. p. 28. ISBN 063402938X.

Created/expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 09:59, 6 October 2017 (UTC).

Comment: I don't understand how Luther wrote anything in English. Please clarify. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Do you mean Vater unser im Himmelreich? I'd suggest you expand that article with what concerns Luther, and reserve the one in English for Winkworth's translation and others, and their position. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
It has been clarified now. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
You mean by saying that it was in German originally? Not enough. No original title, no link to the existing article, and no reason to say similar things in both articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
ps: the hook also doesn't work, because the the hymn was not even translated at the time of the Reformation. No English hymn was more or less aggressive then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
IT is in the original that it is referencing which has now been mentioned in the hook as you requested. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:45, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I was not clear enough. The English (translated) hymn didn't exist until 1863. It was nothing at the time of the Reformation, 500 years ago. You cannot speak about it in historic context before that, - it's misleading. Expect a merge request. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
You can if its in relation to the original text which was translated. I have further clarified it for a future reviewer. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Some may think they can, - I can't. I can't write Wagner composed The Flying Dutchman. If you look at our featured article about the composer, it's free from such a nonsense claim. You can imitate that quality. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Catherine Winkworth wrote the hymn "Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above", translating "Vater unser im Himmelreich" by Martin Luther (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Striking the original hook, which at 229 characters excluding "(pictured)" is far too long for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:43, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I am trying to get some form of Reformation reference in as that is why I requested for the 500th anniversary. I have reworded the original here and hope this is sufficient. ALT2... that "Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above" was translated from a German language hymn by Martin Luther (pictured), which was one of his hymns that challenged Catholic teaching in the Reformation? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:45, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know why you want to focus on "aggressive" that day. My idea is the opposite. - I still think the article should be part of the one about Luther's hymn, or be about the translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to focus on aggressive, I wanted to focus more on the Reformation hence why I wanted the hook to include it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:02, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg On hold until the merge proposal has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

St Stephen's Church, Ealing

St Stephen's Church in Ealing
St Stephen's Church in Ealing

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 15 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is acceptably licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. The hook facts are correct and cited inline, but I think the hook is misleading, because the bells were not moved because of the complaints but because the building was unsafe. I also think you should mention the building's closure and replacement in the history section. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Agreed. And it seems that:
ALT1 ... that the bells of St Stephen's in Ealing (pictured) were so loud it prompted comments about "what might almost be termed cruelty"?
...is more "hooky". As above, article is good to go, we just need to agree on a hook. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Actually, a crop of the image might be useful too. The right side is mostly redundant. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  • No, the right hand side shows the current church while the large stone building on the left is the former church building now converted into flats, as explained in the article. The mature trees rather get in the way of all this but that is the nature of the setting. I'll give some more thought to the hook. ALT1 doesn't flow well currently. Andrew D. (talk) 18:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2 has the same faults as the original hook: if the building hadn't become unsafe and deconsecrated (and the bells removed) as a result, they'd likely still be in Ealing and still rung. (The documented complaints are from 1921; the deconsecration in 1979.) Also, the bells don't seem to have traveled straight from Ealing to Aberdeen, but were first moved to storage in an unknown location and then were refurbished before heading to Aberdeen. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:51, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Saying that A happened and then B happened does not mean that A caused B – see post hoc ergo propter hoc. The original hook says "subsequently" not "consequently". Andrew D. (talk) 07:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT3 ... that the bells of St Stephen's in Ealing (pictured) were so loud people said that their ring "might almost be termed cruelty"?

Articles created/expanded on October 9[edit]

Nagtahan Interchange

The Nagtahan Interchange in 2014
The Nagtahan Interchange in 2014
  • ... that the Rotonda de Sampaloc, now the Nagtahan Interchange, originally demarcated the boundary between Manila's suburbs and its urban core? Source: "Straddling the boundary between Sampaloc, San Miguel and Santa Mesa, the interchange was originally known as the Rotonda de Sampaloc, a roundabout which at the turn of the 20th century marked the boundary between Manila's urban core and its suburbs." (1)
  • Reviewed: Doing...

Created by Sky Harbor (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg - review done. You get a pass on the newness. Please settle the other issues though. starship.paint ~ KO 04:24, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Content check:
  • I don't see in the source #1 anything pertaining to Straddling the boundary between Sampaloc, San Miguel and Santa Mesa
  • rephrase the interchange was originally known as the Rotonda de Sampaloc to the interchange was originally the Rotonda de Sampaloc and you need to cite this with the "Disappearing history" The Freeman source.
  • expandin Quezon City to in Diliman, Quezon City per source #1.
  • In February 1990, the administration of President Corazon Aquino signed an agreement with Japan - don't see it in source #4.
  • doubling in the number of cars on Metro Manila roads in that same time frame -> suggest rephrase to doubling in the number of registered Metro Manila cars in that same time frame per the source #4
  • the stone foundations of the Nagtahan Interchange - need a source that the Nagtahan Bridge (per source #5) = Nagtahan Interchange.
  • Need a source for the whole lead/lede. The only source relevant is source #4 stating Nagtahan/R.M.Magsaysay road intersection three-level interchange facility but nothing more than that. starship.paint ~ KO 04:04, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Note: the article was created on 9 October but nominated on 17 October. That's more than 7 days, but I would be loathe to disqualify this based on that, given that several September articles are still being reviewed. BlueMoonset - could you comment or direct me to someone in charge of WP:DYK, I can't seem to find the list. starship.paint ~ KO 04:13, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Starship.paint, I generally wouldn't be too worried about a nomination that was less than 16 hours late, especially as it's been over a year since Sky Harbor nominated an article for DYK. Since the rules do allow a bit of leeway in this regard, I'd certainly be inclined to accept the nomination in terms of "newness". BlueMoonset (talk) 04:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Okay. I must have been half asleep when I thought it was a 12 day gap. Oops. This gets a pass on newness, yay. starship.paint ~ KO 09:52, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Article at >2000 characters is long enough
  • Sources are good.
  • Hook is short enough, passably interesting, but the sourcing is an issue: I can't see the words "stradding..." quoted in the source for the hook above. Does this have to do with zero images loading for that article?
  • Image is okay.
  • QPQ is not done. starship.paint ~ KO 04:22, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I've notified nominator twice; no response so far. If more work gets done (addressing the above) and I don't reply (I'm quite busy), another editor may continue the review. starship.paint ~ KO 11:51, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Apologies, I've been busy the last couple of weeks. However, I did take the time to review the changes requested and I did make a few changes of my own.
  • If you check a map of Metro Manila, you'll see that the roads forming the interchange are the boundaries between those three districts. I don't see why there needs to be a source for this.
  • Fixed
  • Done
  • This is implied. One, the Aquino administration was the one that certified the package is urgent, and two, the government is the signatory for the loan (the DPWH does not have the authority to sign loan agreements on its own, if that's what you're going to ask).
  • There is a picture that is supposed to be with that article, and the pillars are the pillars for the interchange rather than the bridge, since they're accessible from street level.
I'm working on everything else, so I do appreciate your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 02:13, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Knave-Go-By

Created by A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 9 October 2017 (UTC).

  • @A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver: Is there any reason for the way you've chosen to spell the article title? From what I can see the sources either refer to the village as "Knave Go By" (capitalised) or "Knave-go-by" (with hyphens). 97198 (talk) 05:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I have changed the article title to "Knave-Go-By" to reflect what is used by the Ordance Survey (the most reliable source for current UK place names). Originally I just created it from a redlink on the list of places in Cornwall, where it was without hyphens. 16:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The hook's wording seems vague enough to cover the different accounts but should be revisited after another round of work on the sources.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Andrew D. (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

  • @Andrew Davidson: Realistically the sources in the article are all I could find on the internet, I suppose some of the suppositions presented in the article could be qualified with constructs like "<person> said in ### that a version of the story widely held to be true by locals is....<insert version here>. -ref-", some advice on this would be appreciated. I put this forward because it is interesting (and the last village redlink in Cornwall to be done) so I thought it would be a good 'did you know' article. Dysklyver 19:11, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
@A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver: I looked for sources myself and agree that it's difficult to find them. There are some extensive accounts of Wesley's activities in Cornwall, e.g The Wesleys in Cornwall, 1743–1789 but they don't seem to have anything specific. I'll take another look after this further round of work and see if we're there yet. More anon. Andrew D. (talk) 08:35, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: I don't think there is anything else to hand, maybe a old book would have something on it, but thats not available to me right now or anytime soon. Dysklyver 00:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I'll be at the British Library on Friday. If there's some offline source which might help, I can perhaps consult it then. Andrew D. (talk) 10:31, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I am not an expert on the British Library, and don't know what they have (if anything) that could be relevant, but I did see this when searching the web. Dysklyver 12:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 18[edit]

Chorale

Converted from a redirect by Francis Schonken (talk). Self-nominated at 10:05, 23 October 2017 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Article was new enough when nominated, is easily long enough, takes a generally neutral tone, and has no plagiarism problems that I can see. The first problem is that the nominator already has five DYK credits, meaning that this time requires a quid pro quo review of another DYK nomination. Then, there are some problems with the article itself. First, it has several "Empty section" or "Needs expansion" templates scattered across it; DYK supplementary guideline D7 states that "an article ... that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress." Either the article needs to be completed or the unwritten sections removed before it will be tidy enough for the front page. Second, the lead section is not normally expected to contain extensive citations because it is meant to only contain summaries of topics explored more fully (with citations) within the body. However, the lead here contains a great deal of disputable material that is not supported by citations and then is never addressed again within the body. That material should be moved to the body (maybe into some of the incomplete sections?) and then backed up by inline citations. An excellent hook, by the way! Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 22[edit]

Caroline Brady (philologist)

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 18:12, 24 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, and thoroughly footnoted. But although this isn't an explicit DYK criterion, the article is problematic, in that it presents lots of little boring details about the subject's life (like the street addresses where she lived and who owned those pieces of property or the subsequent history of a ship she took a trip on as a child) but nowhere does it clearly state what she is notable for in a way that would clearly indicate a pass of our academic notability standards. It states what her scholarship was on, but not why it is significant (if it is). It lists what look like all her publications, rather than making any attempt to select the significant ones. It says she published "more than a dozen book" but lists no books. Much of the sourcing is non-secondary and of dubious reliability and fails to cover the subject in the depth that would be required to establish general notability (e.g. seven separate sources from FamilySearch; local newspaper listings of community college courses; entries in association membership directories). The subject appears never to have progressed past assistant professor in academic rank, a red flag for a failed academic career. I worry that, if an article in this state is linked on the main page, it would very quickly get sent to AfD. The parts of the article that look like they might be usable to establish notability are the Talbot Fellowship and (if she published any) book publications that might have associated book reviews. I think the article could use significant trimming of the uninteresting parts so that readers could focus more clearly on the interesting parts.
As for the rest of the criteria: QPQ done. Earwig found a copied direct quote but no problematic copying. The main hook needs disambiguation on the Pennsylvania link. I prefer hooks ALT1 or ALT2, but they're inadequately sourced for DYK: ALT1 is given only the subject's own publications as sources, ALT2 has no sources at all. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • David Eppstein, thanks for your review. I've added some more information on her publications that should help make her notability more clear. Please let me know if you would like more, although I'm not sure what exactly that would be; a Google Scholar citation count would perhaps be on point, but if you think that the torpedoing of a boat is a "boring detail", then saying that "this article has been cited 36 times" is perhaps hopeless.
Your other main criticism seems to be that the article is filled with minutiae. To the extent that it is necessary to defend this (cf. "this isn't an explicit DYK criterion"), it's worth remembering that little is known about Brady's life. She produced relevant and notable scholarship in the 1940s and 1950s, yet no mention of her appears between 1955 and 1979, when she published the first of two widely-cited articles after a decades-long hiatus. In the absence of a more comprehensive source of information on her such as an obituary, the amalgamation of many small details—whether or not one might term some "boring"—is a way to sketch a picture of Brady's life. Knowing that she lived at 132 S. Laurel Avenue in Los Angeles, for example, is relevant when one considers that it was her parents' address: it implies that between her stints at a community college and at Harvard, she moved back in with her parents. Meanwhile, knowing that she once lived in Cambridge reinforces the scant information on her time at Harvard. It's not ideal, and it would be particularly nice to figure out what she was up to from 1955 to 1979, but at the end of the day the sources that we have are the sources that we have.
Re: sources, I've added one (Frank 1987) to back up ALT1. ALT2 is harder to source as it is backed up by 'negative information,' i.e., the complete absence of anything showing that she published between 1955 and 1979. If in your opinion that's not enough to back up ALT2, then let's just go with another. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
The torpedoing of the boat is a particularly egregious example, but the same thing is true throughout the article. It's not so much that the torpedoing of a boat is a boring event – it isn't – but that the event has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. She rode on the boat once; as it involved an intercontinental move for Brady's family, that is significant enough to mention. But why would someone who comes to this article to find out about Brady's life be interested to find instead a description of what happened to a boat five years after Brady rode on it? That's not part of her life. A large fraction of the article appears to be filler of this type rather than actual informative content about Brady. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
David Eppstein, I've moved the torpedoing information to the notes section. Returning again to the DYK criteria, is there anything still holding back this nomination? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 22:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
It still has all the appearance of an article about someone who is not notable. The lead makes no assertion of significance, and the sources that could be used to make a case for WP:GNG (the nontrivial reviews of her work) are buried under a mountain of redundant trivial sources that do not count towards notability (e.g. 21 different copies of the membership list of an association in which membership is not a significant honor). She may well actually be notable, but the article works very hard to make her appear not. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 28[edit]

HolbyBlue

  • Comment: I don't believe I need a QPQ as this is my first nominated article. Feel free to amend or suggest other hooks.

Improved to Good Article status by ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk). Self-nominated at 15:36, 4 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg I don't quite understand the history of this article and was initially going to fail it for being nominated three months too late. However the date of 30 July 2017 for the GA, as mentioned on the talk page, seems to be wrong. So the GA is new enough and long enough, the hook facts are sourced inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Either hook could be used. No QPQ needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @Cwmhiraeth: Thank you for taking the time to assess the article. I have chosen to use the first hook for the DYK. All the best! ElectrodeandtheAnode (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Nomination has been pulled because the original hook could not be confirmed as accurate (please see discussion at WT:DYK#Queue 6 police drama). Hook is struck. ElectrodeandtheAnode, you will need to come up with a new hook, and modify the article so it no longer contains the questionable statement behind the hook. Please let us know when that's ready. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

John Richardson (bishop of Car Nicobar)

John Richardson in 1952
John Richardson in 1952
  • Reviewed: pending

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 08:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC).

Will review, but am too tired now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg It is eligible according to the criteria though I think some additional work can be done here:
    • Suggest a different wording for his family's origin. Car Nicobar is not a very known area in the world, so at first, I wasn't sure if that is an island, a settlement, a region, an ethnic group etc. It forced me to stop reading the article and go to the article about Car Nicobar.
    • In 1906 he was sent to Burma... Do you know who sent him?
    • Maybe expand the lead section a bit, with elements from the His legacy and second World War sections.
Otherwise you are good to go.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 09:15, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The hook should specify that the Parliament is India's, not another country's. One presumes that English or Canadian bishops were members of their national parliaments way before Mr Richardson had a similar record in India. Dahn (talk) 16:44, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Harry Bush (artist)

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:03, 28 October 2017 (UTC).

Issues: This source, which is used to verify content of the first hook, does not appear to be an independent, reliable source, and comes across as a WP:PRIMARY source. This source also states nothing about the subject working at The Pentagon. Regarding ALT1, this source does not state that the subject destroyed his work out of fear of being outed; it just states that the subject "... was known for his isolation from the outside world at certain points, which led him to destroy his own work and question his art and its purpose". Also, the article is presently not long enough at 1,361 characters of prose. WP:DYKRULES states that articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose to qualify for DYK. North America1000 08:16, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I linked to the incorrect Mizer Foundation article (fixed it now). Also increased word count, and substantiated Pentagon fact with a more reliable newspaper source. Regarding ALT1, I unfortunately can't find a reliable source substantiating that claim; the fact that it was specifically his fear of being outed that led Bush to destroy his work is mentioned in the description of the major anthology of his work ("a fear of being outed that led him to destroy much of his own work..."), but I'm unable to access the primary material to verify this due to the financial cost of accessing the book. I amended the original article with a newspaper source that mentions his fear of copyright infringement leading him to destroy his work, but I feel like that's a less interesting factoid. Morgan695 (talk) 17:17, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Per the above, I have struck ALT1 and the first source for the first hook. The second source provided for the first hook doesn't state anything about the 1950s, just that the subject worked at the Pentagon (at some time). So, here's an alt below, although without a 1950s mention, it may be considered by some as dull. North America1000 13:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 31[edit]

The Mad Pooper

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 05:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg The article seems contrary to WP:PERP, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until this is decided by a court of law. Editors must give serious consideration to not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured." WP:DYKRULES states "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided." If this is really a matter of historic importance then we should wait until the mystery is fully resolved rather being party to a trial by media. Andrew D. (talk) 12:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
@Andrew Davidson: Per the cited WP:PERP: "The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event.". I understand your concern but we have plenty of other articles on unidentified criminals, criminals similarly known only by popular sobriquets like Mr. Cruel or the Original Night Stalker, that would not survive such a strict reading of policy. In the case of an unidentified individual whose purported criminal offenses have received enough reliable third-party coverage to satisfy our notability requirements, it is somewhat absurd to insist the article not "focus unduly on [their] negative aspects" since those negative aspects are in such cases the only thing known with any certainty or detail about them. I would also direct your attention to the "possible motives" section of the article, where I spent several paragraphs summing up a column in Woman's Health in which a woman with Crohn's disease pleads for sympathy for the article's subject on those grounds, if that is her problem. That angle is not otherwise reflected in most of the media coverage.

Should she be apprehended and charged, I would certainly amend the article appropriately.

If you feel there are any specific aspects of the article that could be improved, please let me know. Daniel Case (talk) 00:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

  • This doesn't seem "historic" because it happened quite recently and still seems to be an open case but is fairly trivial and so seems unlikely to end up in the history books like, say, Jack the Ripper did. It seems to be just the sort of story which that rule refers to as "one side of an ongoing dispute". And, as we're publishing a photograph of the alleged perpetrator, it has potential to get much uglier at any time. I can't see any possible improvement which will change this and so my verdict is unchanged. If Daniel Case wants to press the matter, he should please call for another reviewer so that we can establish a consensus. Andrew D. (talk) 08:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
"This doesn't seem 'historic' because it happened quite recently" The language of PERP is meant to refer to crimes where the alleged perpetrator is still living or reasonably likely to be. "It seems to be just the sort of story ..." You're being subjective here. I also don't see how this can possibly be "one side of an ongoing dispute" unless you didn't read the article thoroughly. " And, as we're publishing a photograph of the alleged perpetrator ..." Not a very good one. Daniel Case (talk) 15:53, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
OK, then ...
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I am requesting a new review. Daniel Case (talk) 15:47, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Almasbek Akmatov

  • that before becoming a deputy for the Supreme Council of Kyrgyzstan, Almasbek Akmatov obtained three different degrees from three different universities? Source: "В 2002году - Академия Управления при Президенте Кыргызской Республики по специальности «Менеджмент». В 2008 году - Дипломатическая Академия МИД Кыргызской Республики по специальности «Международное экономическое отношения. В 2011 году -КГНУ им Ж.Баласагына по специальности «Финансы и кредит»." ([1],[2])
    • ALT1: that Almasbek Akmatov had his corruption case dropped after he sued for "protection of honor and dignity?" Source: "Был уволен с должности по подозрению в коррупции. После увольнения А.Акматов подавал в суд иск о защите чести и достоинства, который он выиграл, тем самым опровергнув обвинения в вымогательстве взятки." [3]
  • Comment: Final free DYK credit. Will try to review something else afterwards, as was told to in last nom. I've also added an ALT, but it might cross the line related to negative focus on a person.

Created by My name is not dave (talk). Self-nominated at 14:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 2[edit]

Es ist genug

Bach: "Es ist genug"
Bach: "Es ist genug"
  • Reviewed: to come Liwonde National Park
  • Comment: Can we make a crop of just the four first notes? - On vacation, more (hopefully) later today.

Converted from a redirect by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg New enough and long enough. However ... the hook fact isn't cited in the intro, and even more to the point the citation in the body only leads me to an online catalog of scores, nothing that confirms the fact by itself. If "several" sources in the article support this, I'm sure one could put there—and in the intro—to support the stated fact. Daniel Case (talk) 23:34, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, on vacation, not my top priority. There are three facts, the whole-tone scale, which is pictured, here and in the article on the whole-tone scale, the Bach setting, and the quotation by Berg, in the Violin Concerto's article. All called "Writing music history". Will look into individual facts, and if more refs need to be copied to the hymn article from the three others. I thought I did it, but - I'm on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: OK, but I'd still like to be linked to something saying explicitly that Berg quoted Bach in that concerto. Daniel Case (talk) 00:41, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Understood, so please wait until I'll be home (tonight) and did the things of higher priority not managed during vacation (such as upgrading the Bach cantatas of last Sunday, - no idea when that will be, hopefully tomorrow). - What you ask for is in the quotation at the end, and even in English: "The second movement [of the Berg concerto] begins with the J. S. Bach chorale Es ist genug: 'It is enough!" I hesitate to repeat the ref in the middle of a quotation, but it could be done. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Just put it at the end of the quotation. Daniel Case (talk) 05:34, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Back home. I am not sure why you want ANY ref in the intro which should be a summary of sourced facts from the body, - refs in the lead are only needed for quotations.
I've been told during other DYK reviews that the hook fact needs to be cited the first time it appears in the article (WP:LEADCITE is not as prescriptive and limiting as people seems to think; it allows for this). So I am applying the rules as they have been applied to me. Daniel Case (talk) 05:34, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
I have written about 200 DYK articles this year alone, and none of them had cites in the lead. But as you wish, until after DYK. - I keep telling others in my reviews that the cites in the lead are distracting, and that facts cited in the body don't need one. Perhaps clarify on DYKTALK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Ref Dümlin: "Kunstvolle Variationen über den Bach-Choral "Es ist genug" bilden den Schluss des Violinkonzerts" (Artful variations on the Bach chorale 'Es ist genug' form the conclusion of the Violin Concerto".
Ref Glass: "Further to Klemperer's comments: the chorale employed comes from Bach's cantata O Ewigkeit, du Donnerwort, BWV 60 (Oh Eternity, Thou Fateful Word). It has a subtitle, "Dialogue Between Fear and Hope," and its text contains the words "Blessed are those who die in the Lord," both surely intended by Berg as references to Manon. Finally, the "Es ist genug" chorale is not actually by Bach but by Johann Rudolph Ahle (1626-1673): harmonized by Bach, immortalized by Berg."
+ what Klemperer said, mentioned above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 16 November 2017 (UTC)


Mishmar HaEmek

Improved to Good Article status by Bolter21 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This is a newly-promoted GA and is long enough and nominated in a timely fashion. The article is neutral. Hooks ALT0 and ALT2 are approved while the source for ALT1 does not help me verify it, but I could accept it AGF. I am concerned about this finding by Earwig's tool which shows that much of the lead section is copied from another source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4[edit]

Tarak Sinha

Created by Dee03 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough, has more than 2600 characters, hook is well sourced. Article is written neutrally. copyvio unlikely. Good to go once QPQ done. -- Human3015 TALK  12:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @Human3015: Thanks for the review, QPQ now done. @Yoninah: I have no problem spelling out the link, but does it not sound a little redundant? Dee03 07:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @Dee03: right. How about:
  • ALT2: ... that Tarak Sinha coached 12 cricketers who went on to play at the international level? Yoninah (talk) 11:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2 looks good. Dee03 13:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Marissa Callaghan

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 10:31, 4 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is well written and well cited, however I have concern that the proposed hook will not be interesting to a broad audience. Otherwise, great article! – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 08:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Harold Strachan

  • ... that Harold Strachan is a South African artist, who built bombs for Umkhonto we Sizwe, served a jail sentence, and then went back to jail for telling a journalist about prison conditions? Source: [5], [6], South African Democracy Education Trust (2004). The Road to Democracy in South Africa: 1960-1970. Zebra. ISBN 9781868729067.)
    • ALT1:... that Harold Strachan has painted pictures, written books, built bombs, been sent to prison, and caught fish?

Expanded by John (talk). Self-nominated at 02:27, 4 November 2017 (UTC).

  • How is this created on November 4th? You did start it, in 2011, but for DYK purposes it is just an expansion. Johnbod (talk) 20:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, that's right. Did I fill in the form wrong? John (talk) 00:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
It appears so, yes. Please get it right - reviewers shouldn't have to spend time digging around in the history. You need to clarify how this meets the criteria. Johnbod (talk) 02:03, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Well, it's long enough, & neutral. The (very long) links provided don't cover "then went back to jail for telling a journalist about prison conditions" (first hook) that I could see. Pointer, please. The other points raised above need sorting. Johnbod (talk) 13:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Ok. I'm sorry I filled it in wrongly. This is only the second time I have done this in ten years. Please assume it is incompetence rather than malevolence at play here. What do I need to do to fix the problem? As regards the sourcing for the second part of the first hook, it's at The Road to Democracy, p380, as listed above. John (talk) 20:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

ALT2:... that Harold Strachan painted pictures, wrote books, made bombs, went to prison, and caught fish? 7&6=thirteen () 20:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment I love this but as the subject is still alive, we'd need to tweak the tenses. John (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
This doesn't address his liveliness at all. These were past acts, plain and simple. 7&6=thirteen () 01:32, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Adding "has" etc would sort it. Johnbod (talk) 02:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes. John (talk) 18:44, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

ALT2:... that Harold Strachan has painted pictures, written books, made bombs, served two prison sentences, and completed an ultramarathon?

And where are the sources for the new ones?. And are you going to sort out the dates? you're making rather a meal of this. Johnbod (talk) 03:14, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
The sources are in the article. I have no idea what you mean by "are you going to sort out the dates?" Which dates are you asking me to "sort out"? I asked you about this almost a week ago at 20:16 on 7 November 2017, and you haven't answered. Please put down the attitude and walk slowly towards helping out here, if that's your intention. John (talk) 11:32, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
You are supposed to know the rules before nominating, especially if you haven't donne so for ten years or whatever. As I pointed out in my first post above, and have repeated more than once, you have nominated this with a date that doesn't seem to be correct in terms of the expansion of the article. Please look at the rules and drop the cavalier attitude. Don't dump all this on the reviewer. Johnbod (talk) 12:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
I see, so you are trying to coach me into becoming a better contributor at DYK in the future rather than trying to help me to complete my nomination on this occasion. You're wasting your time as I have no interest in doing this again based on this interaction. What you have convinced me of is that this is a walled garden which gets a lot more coverage on the main page than it apparently deserves, which is interesting I suppose. Do yourself and the project a favour, and if you're too burnt out to do a proper job volunteering to help here, stand down and let someone else do it. John (talk) 19:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Reviewing a nomination is these days a reasonable amount of work, and I for one do not feeling like humouring a very experienced editor (admin, 11 years etc) who cannot be bothered to read the rules, and throws it all back on the reviewer, with added arrogance. If you were a new editor things would be different, but you can hardly claim that. Johnbod (talk) 03:37, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Best if someone else starts again on this. Johnbod (talk) 04:05, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
I am willing to review this. Much has been done already, thank you, Johnbod. The original hook reads a bit too complicated for my taste, with that detail on telling about prison conditions, - that's nothing personal about him, many do it, as many write books and catch fish. Word a hook, please, along the first two facts from the original and perhaps one more quirky thing from the others. Or can we just stop the original after "Sizwe"?
After reading it all, I'm more willing to accept the original facts as presented, but please reword the end.
Symbol question.svg Substantial article on excellent sources, interesting life! No copyvio obvious. _ Article: I could imagine more lead. "Early life" isn't exactly the header for several decades, no? Any details about when he married Maggie, and her personality? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Plasma Instrument for Magnetic Sounding, Interior Characterization of Europa using Magnetometry

Created by BatteryIncluded (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 23:24, 12 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Articles are long enough and have been created recently enough (it may have been slightly over 7 days, but I'll let that pass). QPQ checks out. Hook meets the criteria, but could use a little more information (what are PIMS and ICEMAG)?
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Both articles have possible violations of copyright, with a lot of content copied and pasted from the sources (see this analysis and this analysis. Some of the material is copied from government sites, so that may be legal (although still not good practice), but the conference abstracts are copyrighted. This must be fixed! RockMagnetist (DCO visiting scholar) (talk) 02:33, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
@BatteryIncluded: - The Bushranger One ping only 02:44, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Nicholas Exton

  • ... that in 1388 Nicholas Brembre was tried for treason and hanged, and his fate was sealed by his successor as London Mayor, Nicholas Exton, one of those who "knew him best"? Oliver, C., Parliament and Political Pamphleteering in Fourteenth-century England (Woodbridge, 2010), 104.

Improved to Good Article status by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (talk). Self-nominated at 15:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC).


QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is easily long enough and was newly promoted to GA when nominated. It's in excellent shape generally and well-sourced (not a surprise, since it's just come through the GA process). A few requests for clarification: in the section "Merchant and alderman," one sentence asserts that "... he was also a Surveyor of Murage Mayor of the Westminster staple." I'm unable to parse that line, and it sounds like there's an "and" missing between Murage and Mayor, but I'm not clear enough on what any of those terms means to be sure; perhaps the nominator can clear up that sentence? Another sentence in the same section tells that Exton was "... imprisoned for a year ... and forced to leave the city, albeit temporarily. Only a month later, though, in September 1382, he was arguing the same points in parliament." If he was imprisoned for a year, then how was he in parliament a month later? AGF on the offline hook source, if these two spots can be cleared up, the article will be good to go. Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 23:42, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 7[edit]

BV Centauri

Created/expanded by Jolielegal (talk) and Lithopsian (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 22:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Long enough. New enough. Citations throughout. But citations could be more precise by giving more specific pages, rather than broad ranges. Fairly technical article, at least to this lay person. Hook is interesting enough. But I couldn't find the source for the 1600 light year figure in citation 4. I found it in citation 6, on page 309 as 500 parsecs ± 100 parsecs, which I believe translates to 1630 ± 326 light years. So two things: the citations need to get more specific pages, and the hook needs to be more accurate. Hybernator (talk) 02:21, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, citation 6 at the moment, although citation 2 mentions the same figure. I've added a convert template to format the distance, but it ends up looking much the same: the convert template and similar conversions include automatic rounding to the last significant figure, so 1,630 (or 1,626) becomes 1,600. The distance is very uncertain (± 326 ly from that source, 400 light years nearer from a Gaia parallax), so it might be best to be more vague in the hook; "over 1,000 light years?" I don't know if that makes it more or less verifiable. Could mention table 4 in the citation. Lithopsian (talk) 14:25, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
A good idea, I've amended the hook accordingly. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:09, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
The new hook is fine. Thank you. References are still overly broad: i.e. citations 2, 3, 4, 6, 10. It's difficult to figure out which page(s) I should check up on. (They're not exactly easy reading either.) Hybernator (talk) 23:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Pragmatic Sanction of 1712

Pragmatic Sanction of 1712
Pragmatic Sanction of 1712
  • ... that the Pragmatic Sanction of 1712, allowing a Habsburg princess to become Queen of Croatia, is evoked in the Constitution of Croatia as a demonstration of Croatian millennial statehood?
    Source: "The millennial national identity of the Croatian nation and the continuity of its statehood ... manifested itself in ... the autonomous and sovereign decision of the Croatian Sabor to sign the Pragmatic Sanction of 1712" " (The Rebirth of Democracy: 12 Constitutions of Central and Eastern Europe)
    • ALT1:... that the unilateral acceptance of female succession to the throne in 1712 strengthened the Croatian Parliament but led to a strife with Hungary, with which Croatia had shared rulers for centuries?
      Source: "The Hungarian estates were not pleased with this Croatian initiative, which they considered to be beyond the Sabor's power and therefore not legally binding." (Péter, p. 50)
      "Ta formalno-pravna priznanja nadležnosti Hrvatskoga sabora kao posljedice Odluke Hrvatskog sabora o pragmatičkoj sankciji iz 1712. godine nisu samo poboljšale položaj Hrvatske u tadašnjoj zajednici, već su postale jedan od povijesnih temelja na kojima je stvorena neovisna hrvatska država četvrt tisućljeća kasnije." (Sabor)
    • ALT2:... that with the Pragmatic Sanction of 1712, the Kingdom of Croatia was the first to accept Emperor Charles VI's daughters as possible heirs to the throne, a full year before he made this wish official?
      Source: "The first moves were made in Croatia." (Sugar, p. 144)
      "Croatia actually declared its willingness to accept a female Habsburg succession in March 1712, a full year before Charles had even issued the Pragmatic Sanction." (Ingrao, p. 134)
  • Reviewed: Brutus (Michelangelo)
  • Comment: If possible, keep this for 9, 11 or 15 March, the dates relevant to the subject.

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 14:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC).

Vi Lyles

  • Reviewed: IOU
  • Comment: Hold for December 4, when she is sworn in, so we don't have to mess around with calling her "mayor-elect"

Created by Muboshgu (talk) and District9123 (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 04:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Muboshgu: Date, length and hook all OK. No close paraphrasing. Agree with the hold until after 4 December. QPQ is needed, so please ping me when that is done so I can pass it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Will do, later today. This got reviewed alot faster than I expected. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

May 1, 2015 Jalisco attacks

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 03:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 8[edit]

Claire Wallace (broadcaster)

  • ... that early Canadian radio broadcaster Claire Wallace was known for her reporting stunts, which included broadcasting from 5000 feet above Niagara Falls?
  • Reviewed: no QPQ, less than 5 DYK credits

Created by Alanna the Brave (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 12 November 2017 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Unclear
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough, well-sourced and neutral in tone, and has no plagiarism or close-paraphrasing issues that I can see, except what is noted below. My only concern is that I can't understand the hook: typically a hook may use cryptic or double-meaning phrasing to make a joke and draw a reader in, clarifying the true meaning in the article; here, though, the article (and the source) are equally unclear and cryptic. What exactly does "5000 feet above Niagara Falls" mean? Was she in an airplane or hot-air balloon, circling or hovering in the air a mile above the falls? I can't approve this hook if, after reading the article, I still have no idea what it really means. Fix this issue and the article will be ready to go. Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Northeast Arm Iron Range

Folded banded iron formation along Highway 11 in Temagami
Folded banded iron formation along Highway 11 in Temagami
  • Reviewed: Amanita subpallidorosea
  • Comment: Since this seems to have changed in the few years I've been quasi-mostly-on-Wikibreak: I've erred on the side of "yes" here, but are QPQs required now for non-self nominations?

Created by Volcanoguy (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:05, 12 November 2017 (UTC).

Comment: I would make the hook more specific, something like: ... that the Temagami Iron Range hosts jasper and iron past Turtle and Snake Island lakes?. Note when snakes and turtles are not capitalized you are referring to the animals, not the names of lakes. Proper names are capitalized. And as far as I'm aware of nobody calls these lakes Turtles and Snakes. Volcanoguy 03:00, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
The idea was to make an amusing-sounding hook - the Wiki-positive version of clickbait, so to speak. Face-smile.svg - The Bushranger One ping only 03:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay then. Volcanoguy 05:06, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Riverton Lock

Riverton Lock under construction November 8, 1895
Riverton Lock under construction November 8, 1895

Created by 860036ed (talk). Nominated by RHaworth (talk) at 13:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is long enough and new enough. A few sections do merit inline citations, including the parts which form the hook. Additionally, it seems unclear to me which part of the paragraph sourced to [7] is actually dependent on that page. The hook itself is interesting but a bit too long. No QPQ needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:10, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Tarted up a bit. By all means omit the second sentence. One of the things that puts newbies off Wikipedia is the use of undefined wikijargon. What is a QPQ? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Quid pro quo. In short, back when pterodactyls swooped across our pages anyone could post a DYK nomination and be done with it. This led to piles of noms and nobody reviewing them, resulting in a bloated nominations page but no hooks to actually run. So it was established that anyone who had nominated more than five of their own articles for DYK had to review one for every article of theirs that they submitted, which has both cut the page size (amazing, I know, but true) and meant that the people picking hooks for the Main Page actually have hooks they can choose from. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:09, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Great. Now [8] has stopped working completely. Thankfully [9] still works. Anyhow, there is still some material that has no source and [10] only discusses Goethals's own deeds, whereas The first major landing on the Tennessee River after leaving Paducah, Kentucky was Riverton in Colbert County, Alabama. Riverton was located on the East side of the junction of the Tennessee River and Bear Creek across Bear Creek from Eastport. Colbert and Bee Tree Shoals were immediately up river from Riverton and prevented major river traffic between Riverton and Florence, Alabama for 6 months of the dry season. In the late 1890's Muscle Shoals Canal was nearing completion which traversed the other major shoals above Florence, Alabama and Chattanooga, Tennessee. is unsourced. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:18, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Struck the hook since, at 241 characters, it was far beyond the maximum 200. Any new hook must end with a question mark per DYK rules. Since it seems the first sentence would be okay without the second, adding it below as ALT1:
  • ALT1: ... that at its completion Riverton Lock was the highest lift lock in the world with a lift of 26 feet (7.9 m)?
A combined hook could probably still be made with Goethals going from Riverton to the Panama Canal, if desired, without exceeding 200 characters. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:42, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Sokari Ekine

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 21:21, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

Willing to review this, but not right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Interesting life on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I think the hook is too general. The name of the blog "Black Looks" would tell a bit more, and/or "Queer African Reader". Say something that can't be said about a few hundred others, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Gerda Arendt thanks for the review. I was struggling to find anything really "hookable". I have added a little to the article. How about:
  • ... that Nigerian activist and blogger Sokari Ekine's first venture online was to found the Black Sisters Network mailing list in 1995?
I think it is unusual to have been involved with the internet that early? If not let me know and I can try something else - Dumelow (talk) 14:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Good idea, but then please bring the unusual year upfront, and do me a personal favour and avoid a possessive for the topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Cataclysm: The Ultimates' Last Stand

Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

Collaborative practice agreement

  • ... that a collaborative practice agreement, which allows a pharmacist to prescribe medications, order drug therapy related laboratory tests, and design therapy plans, can improve people's health? Source: "A pharmacist may perform some or all of the following activities under a CPA: “patient assessment; initiate, adjust or discontinue drug therapy; order, interpret and monitor laboratory tests; formulate clinical assessments and develop therapeutic plans; provide care coordination for wellness and prevention of disease; and conduct essential patient education”....Randomized controlled trials involving pharmacist management via a CPA demonstrate positive outcomes, including improved asthma control, higher proportion of patients achieving cholesterol goals, better blood pressure control, improved glycosylated hemoglobin (HbA1c), and improved International Normalized Ratio (INR) control and reduced bleeding rates in patients taking warfarin." (link)

Improved to Good Article status by Biochemistry&Love (talk). Self-nominated at 00:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

Justin Fairfax

Converted from a redirect by Neutrality (talk). Self-nominated at 05:29, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

  • If this appears on the main page, it might be good to move to the special occasion holding area for January 13, 2018 - inauguration day for Fairfax. Neutralitytalk 05:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
@Neutrality: Unfortunately, as January 13, 2018 is more than five weeks away, per the supplementary rules, it's unlikely that the special occasion holding request will be accepted. However, as said rule is only supplementary and only applies if there's a backlog in DYK, it's possible that the request will still be accepted; I'll let another reviewer review this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Ai Kayano

  • ... that prior to becoming a voice actress, Ai Kayano worked in the beauty industry? Source: "B.L.T. Voice Girls". B.L.T. Voice Girls (in Japanese). Tokyo News Service (5): 96. January 31, 2011. 

5x expanded by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:42, 8 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 9[edit]

Arlinda Locklear

  • Reviewed: No QPQ, less than 5 DYK credits.

Created by Alanna the Brave (talk). Self-nominated at 19:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

  • On it. — LlywelynII 02:00, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

    Symbol question.svg Timely nomination but listed on the wrong day: the article actually began on November 9. Not much copyvio but there is a sentence about her father's naval service that should be rewritten. Long enough (4.8k chars.) and fairly well cited, except for this hook and the other potential hook (being the first female NA litigator before the USSC). I'm sure that's just an oversight and covered by the references following those claims, but this is a biography of a living person and should have all of the stand-out claims cited directly.

    Side notes: there are a few comma mistakes in the article and the hook that aren't important for the nomination and that I already fixed but which Ms Brave should look over to help her future articles. Second, it's her choice, but the hook would be improved by removing the links to and descriptions of Duke and Sec. Kerry. The extra link will just drain readers away from the article being promoted, and removing the explanation will lure in other people who want to make sure it really was that John Kerry. Finally, it's a bit odd to call him the future US Secretary of State but to call her a lawyer: she wasn't one until after she finished law school. The wording should probably be worked with a little, possibly to include that she was the first female litigator before the Supreme Court. — LlywelynII 04:23, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Washington's 45th state senate district special election, 2017, Manka Dhingra

  • Reviewed: 42nd Street Shuttle (1/2)
  • Comment: Perhaps it will be best to hold this hook until January 1, when Dhingra is sworn in.

Created by SounderBruce (talk), Ueutyi (talk), and Bri (talk). Nominated by SounderBruce (talk) at 03:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date and length fine on both hooks. I am more gravitating towards ALT1 at the moment as the original doesn't seem that extraordinary unless an explanation is added to the hook about it being the most expensive race. No close paraphrasing on either. Only 1 QPQ has been done, 2 are needed as this is a 2 article hook. Please ping me @SounderBruce: when it has been done so I can then pass it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Spring Creek Park

  • ... that part of New York City's Spring Creek Park, which was mostly built on a landfill, is located within a U.S. national protected area? Sources: (1) NYC Parks entry on Spring Creek Park - "Today, a part of the bay and its surrounding area is protected as part of the Gateway National Recreation Area, created in 1972 under the National Park Service". (2) USACE report, page 10 - "The project area was adversely affected by [...] numerous episodes of refuse deposition. [...] The topography of the present site is mainly the result of its use as a landfill for dredged and construction fill, ash from the Department of Sanitation incinerator and a refuse dump."
    • ALT1:... that although New York City's Spring Creek Park was mostly built on a landfill, part of the park is located in a U.S. national protected area? Sources: Same two as above
    • ALT2:... that Spring Creek Park was one of several New York City parks that urban planner Robert Moses built atop landfills? Source: Star-Journal (January 4, 1962). "Using the most modern methods of landfill, the Sanitation Department has created and is still creating hundreds of acres of park land in Queens and Brooklyn [...] began filling in the Queens section of Spring Creek Park 10 years ago"

Created by Tdorante10 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 18:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and plenty long enough. Any of the hooks could be used as all are cited inline, but I prefer ALT2 with its reference to Robert Moses, who seems to have been an influential urban planner. The article is neutral and "Earwig" did not bring up anything I thought concerning. @Epicgenius: Just waiting for a QPQ. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 10[edit]

2017 Lebanon–Saudi Arabia dispute

Created by Classicwiki (talk) and Expectant of Light (talk). Nominated by Expectant of Light (talk) at 17:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Comment As the creator of the article, I feel slightly uncomfortable with the first blurb because the issue is a bit more nuanced. Much more comfortable with ALT1. However, I have not familiarized myself with the DYK process/guidelines, so take my opinion for what its worth. Classicwiki (talk) (ping me please) 19:54, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Thanks for comment Classicwiki. Several sources have said that the man was either kidnapped or taken hostage according to the sources. These include Robert Fisk of the Independent, Michel Aoun, the Lebanese President, Hezbollah sources and other unnamed Lebanese officials as well as media. The hostage talk still continues see this recent development. But for greater accuracy we can propose a third alt specifying the source of accusation as Lebanon, even though there are non-Lebanese sources as I mentioned suggesting kidnapping and hostage taking, too. So I added a third alt. --Expectant of Light (talk) 06:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC). Forgot to tag you @Classicwiki:. --Expectant of Light (talk) 16:26, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Nüwa Palace

  • ... that the Chinese began honoring their creator goddess Nüwa near Phoenix Mountain in Hebei as early as the Han dynasty?
    • ALT1:... that China's Wahuanggong in Hebei honors Nüwa, the snake-tailed goddess who supposedly created mankind and repaired the sky?
    • ALT2:... that the goddess who repaired China's skies is honored at Nüwa Palace in Hebei?
    • ALT3:... that the Nüwa Palace is a nationally-protected AAAAA tourist site in Hebei, China?
    • ALT4:... that Nüwa—the goddess honored at Hebei's Wahuanggong—supposedly repaired China's skies by ripping the legs off a sea turtle?
    • ALT5:... that the 130,000 characters of Buddhist scriptures carved into the mountains around Hebei's Nüwa Palace began under the Northern Qi dynasty?
    • ALT6:... that some Chinese consider the palace honoring the creator goddess Nüwa in rural Hebei to be an ancestral shrine for all mankind?
    • ALT7:... that her palace in Hebei is supposedly the place where Nüwa created mankind and repaired the sky?

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 01:56, 17 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Note to reviewers: Don't worry. You only need to check the cites for whichever hook you find the most interesting. — LlywelynII 01:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and well referenced. However, the article title seems to be original research. The place is commonly called in English "Wahuang Palace" or "Wahuanggong", or occasionally "Nüwa Palace" or "Palace of Nüwa". I've never seen it translated as "Nüwa Imperial Palace", and google returns nothing for that term. -Zanhe (talk) 05:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • It doesn't show up in English enough for anything to be its "common name". "Wahuang Palace" is the official name, but that seems to be provincial Chinglish since huanggong seems more likely than [Nu]wa the Huang[di] both to me and the native Chinese whom I've shown the name and Baidu Baike articles to. Fair enough that I tried to include the "imperial", but we can go with the terser form that omits it. — LlywelynII 13:53, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

    Moved. Anything else? Does this nomination template need to be moved? Any preference among the hooks? — LlywelynII 14:04, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • No, "Wahuang Palace" is not Chinglish. Wahuang (Wa the Empress) is the reverential name of Nüwa (Women/Lady Wa) (see dictionary), and Wahuanggong is correctly translated as "Wahuang Palace", which is both the official name and the common name. This is clear from the palace's other name: Wahuang Shengmu Miao, or "Temple of Wahuang, the Holy Mother". The article should be titled "Wahuang Palace" (but the nomination template does not need to be moved). -Zanhe (talk) 18:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • As for the hooks, I like ALT1, but I think "in Hebei" can be omitted to make it shorter and catchier. -Zanhe (talk) 18:46, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Will apparently need a new reviewer, since the page has already been moved to a sourced, WP:COMMON, WP:ENGLISH title and the nomination is still not being processed, based on the current reviewer's preference for a half-Chinese form of the name instead of its common English translation. — LlywelynII 16:25, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

    Added ALT6 and ALT7 since I found a few English sources for the idea that Nüwa's actions occurred at the site of the palace. — LlywelynII 17:14, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Now that's a bit rich coming from an editor who often label other translations as "Chinglish", merely based on their own less than perfect understanding of Chinese. "Nüwa Palace" is way better than the earlier WP:OR title, but it's far from the common English translation. Google returns 880 results for "Wahuang Palace", but only 214 for "Nüwa Palace". "Wahuang Palace" is indisputably the common English name (as well as the official one). And calling "Wahuang Palace" a "half-Chinese" form is ridiculous. Nüwa and Wahuang are both Chinese names for the same deity, the only difference is that the second is more deferential than the first. -Zanhe (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I have adjusted the template boilerplate, all of the hooks that didn't already do so, to use the name of the article as it currently is, and piping as necessary. We shouldn't be using redirects in hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Andrew David Urshan

Andrew David Urshan, photographed in 1911.
Andrew David Urshan, photographed in 1911.

Created by LouisAragon (talk). Self-nominated at 16:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article created new by Louis Aragon on November 11. The main source, Encyclopedia Iranica, is here (and might as well be linked from the article). Really the Wikipedia article should follow the Iranica article a little less closely, direct quotations notwithstanding. "Sporting an anglicized name" and "took him throughout the Midwest" for example are paraphrased a little too closely for comfort. The best way to improve this situation would be to add information from other sources if they can be found. (Here's a direct link to the page from other source, by the way.)
The author has already completed a quid-pro-quo review.
I have also a small question regarding the image, which the author-nominator uploaded to commons a few days ago. I don't doubt that the image is public domain. But the source is given as the Encyclopedia Iranica article—yet I don't see the image there. Can it be found in the print edition? Simply clarify where it came from, if you would.
The hooks are good, but maybe you would consider some alternatives? Such as
Well done and thank you for creating an interesting article. groupuscule (talk) 04:23, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Groupuscule, thanks for having taken the courtesy to review this one. I just fixed the second sentence you mentioned, by adding quotation marks.
Both images are viewable on the site by clicking on the "images / tables" button, located on the right. Clicking on the pics, which enlargens them, sadly doesn't create a new url link that directly leads to the pic. Nevertheless, both pics are "part" of the article, of the same page.
Sure, lets go with ALT2! I think its a bit more appealing than the ones I proposed. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello LouisAragon, the quotation marks are an improvement but I really think the whole article should not follow the Encyclopedia Iranica so closely? Can you find some other sources? (To discover, for example, more details about Urshan's tour of the Midwest.) If you are having trouble I will try to help out. Best, groupuscule (talk) 18:44, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

'Neile Alina 'Mantoa Fanana

Society has written a strongly worded letter to the office of the Chief Justice expressing their dissatisfaction with the lawyers who have been nominated for the prestigious title of King's Counsel ... The lawyers believe that Thetsane and Fanana do not meet the stipulated criteria. ...he Law Society also argues that Fanana has not been practicing as an advocate for a period of fifteen years and therefore she cannot be considered to have rendered a significant service]

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 10:19, 11 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough and long enough. A bit concerned about things like She attended several human rights fora and underwent training programmes on conflict resolution, human rights and humanitarian law. (source) and received further training in conflict resolution, human rights and humanitarian law. (article) which are needlessly similar. I am not sure if Wikileaks is considered to be a reliable source and not certain about this either (which also does not seem to support the text sourced to it). This source doesn't work for me. ALT1 seems more interesting to me. Both are cited inline but have sourcing concerns. QPQ is good. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:10, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus, thanks for the review. When I wrote the article the sentence you mentioned stumped me a bit as I couldn't figure out how to reowrd it, I figured they were fairly common expressions anyway - I have now rewritten it slightly which I hope moves it far enough away from the source text. This source is the annual report published by the Lesotho Ombudsman's Office, I have used it to back up the King's Counsel appointment (KC is mentioned as a post nominal), as otherwise it is only attributed to WikiLeaks. Strange that the Lesotho Times page is not working for you, I can view it OK - I have added an internet archive link as a back-up. With regards Wikileaks as a source I seem to recall back at the time the diplomatic service leaks were happening that the consensus was they could be used as long as they were attributed "according to a leak" or similar. Consensus may have moved on since then, I have been a bit out of touch. I have reworded the article slightly to make it clear where the leak was from. I have struck the original hook above - Dumelow (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Based on what I get on WP:RSN it seems like using Wikileaks in this context is questionable. The problem I have is that while the question is "Are Wikileaks items reliable?" the answer is often "Wikileaks is a primary source" which does not answer the question. Personally I'd omit the Wikileaks-sourced material, especially since it looks negative and is on a BLP. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
No problem, good to get an opinion on this. You are right that we should be careful with a BLP anyway. I will remove the section sourced to Wikileaks. As this will take the article below the 1,500 character threshold and I do not have access to any further sources on the subject to expand the article I will withdraw this DYK nomination. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
@Dumelow: I wonder if it could be explained a bit what a King's Counsel and their role is. While we don't want coatracking a bit of explanation of the roles involved may bring the topic back to sufficient length. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus. I expanded it a little with info on some journal articles that she wrote and I had overlooked. Let me know what you think - Dumelow (talk) 17:50, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
AGFing on them. I don't think source #4 adds anything to the article, probably because it needs pagenumber specific citations. The Wikileaks source is now only used for a fairly trivial claim, although I am surprised there are no press reports or government reports. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]

Marcus Beck

Marcus Beck
Marcus Beck

Source: " http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014107688507801214"Source: " https://livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/biogs/E000801b.htm"Beck witnessed the ravages of war and reported that French surgeons refused to adopt Lister's antiseptic method in the managementofwarwounds...... Beck became most widely known as the Editor of the 8th and 9th editions of Erichsen’s Science and Art of Surgery, which appeared respectively in 1884 and 1888....He most skilfully included recent advances in the science of surgery and surgical pathology, including the pathology of wounds and septic diseases. The researches of Pasteur and Koch with the work of Lister were thus made known to all students of surgery

  • ALT1... that Marcus Beck was one of the few surgeons in London in the 19th century who practised Joseph Lister's techniques of antiseptic surgery?

Source: "https://livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/biogs/E000500b.htm" Source: "https://livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/biogs/E000801b.htm" Source: "http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/014107688507801214 In London, except .... Marcus Beck at University College Hospital, Lister’s methods were but little understood or practised...Beck entered the University of Glasgow in 1860, where Joseph Lister, his first cousin once removed....Beck became one of Lister's stoutest defenders during the controversy over the introduction of the antiseptic technique in surgery ...

  • Reviewed: Not required

Created by Whispyhistory (talk). Self-nominated, moved from draft 12 November 2017.

  • Simplified both the hooks as discussed with nom. (not reviewing). Philafrenzy (talk) 08:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Up from the Cradle of Jazz

Created by Bammesk (talk). Self-nominated at 22:55, 12 November 2017 (UTC).

Célia Posser

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 22:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC).

Luis Muriel

Improved to Good Article status by Liam E. Bekker (talk). Self-nominated at 15:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 13[edit]

Johann Balthasar König

Interior of the Katharinenkirche, Frankfurt in 1683
Interior of the Katharinenkirche, Frankfurt in 1683
  • Reviewed: Regina Mañe Ela
  • Comment: The interior was destroyed in World War II and not restored to that splendour, - worth showing, I think.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Aonidiella citrina, Comperiella bifasciata

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:33, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Bergen Tunnels

The east portals of the Bergen Tunnels.
The east portals of the Bergen Tunnels.

Created/expanded by Djflem (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:33, 16 November 2017 (UTC).

Femi Claudius Cole

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 23:21, 13 November 2017 (UTC).

Samba Yonga

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 13 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Good hook on ALT0 though I'd add "Zambian writer" to the start of it. Article is new and has sources, QPQ done. Article could use a little more basic info in the lede and infobox, like date and location of birth. Morganfitzp (talk) 14:09, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Morganfitzp, thanks for your review. If I had that information I would add it. I could not locate these details in any available sources - Dumelow (talk) 17:45, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Added ALT2. Perhaps add a few more things to the lede/body? Like her co-founding of Zambia's Museum of Women's History[15] or the two colleges she attended[16]. Morganfitzp (talk) 21:05, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
  • OK, I expanded the lead. I don't think her Linked In profile counts as a reliable source. I added a mention of the Museum of Women's History, which I had accidentally left out! - Dumelow (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Kang In-soo

Kang In-soo
Kang In-soo

Created by Explicit (talk). Self-nominated at 14:02, 13 November 2017 (UTC).

Manal Cali

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 11:00, 13 November 2017 (UTC).

Mon Yazawin, Mon Yazawin (Shwe Naw)

  • ... that two similarly named chronicles, Mon Yazawin and Mon Yazawin by Shwe Naw, are Burmese chronicles about the Mon-speaking kingdom of Hanthawaddy? Source: (Aung-Thwin 2017: 221–222) for both; (Stewart 1923: 69–76) for Mon Yazawin by Shwe Naw.
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 23:46, 17 November 2017 (UTC).


QPQ: Red XN - You need 1 more review because the number of QPQs is the same as the number of articles in the hook
Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 00:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

This is almost good to go. Just one more QPQ and this is all set. I'm assuming AGF on the hook-cited requirement because I don't speak Burmese, and I have family who can speak but not read. epicgenius (talk) 00:52, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 14[edit]

Mosaic (murder mystery)

  • ... that Steven Soderbergh's Mosaic is both an iOS mobile app and a television miniseries ...? Sources: [17] , [18]
    • ALT1:... that Steven Soderbergh asks that people not call the iOS mobile app Mosaic a video game ...? Source: [19] ... "Q:Okay. Second thing, how is Mosaic not a video game? A: I would argue in a very basic way that it’s a completely different thing from a video game."
  • Reviewed: Sibongile Ndashe
  • Comment: The weird dual-media nature of this is the only interesting thing, as best I can tell. ALT1 is a little magaziney, but maybe catchy, despite being basically wrong (it's a video game, despite his protests)? Happy to take suggestions for other hooks, though.

Created by SnowFire (talk). Self-nominated at 09:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

Texas Capitol View Corridors

Created by Bryanrutherford0 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Deadliest single days of World War I

Sandweiler German war cemetery
Sandweiler German war cemetery

Created by Esemono (talk). Self-nominated at 04:29, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Hooks are sourced to "March 21, 1918 ... 10,851 Germans were killed outright ... On this one day, August 22, 1914, over 27,000 French died trying to stop German divisions from moving on Paris" [20] Further sourced in the list "27,000 French soldiers died ... It remains France’s highest ever death toll in a single day" [21]; German death toll offline (Middlebrook 2007, p. 312)
Comment: Shouldn't the dates be DMY, for a European topic? And where would (pictured) go? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Antoinette Montaigne

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 19:05, 14 November 2017 (UTC).

Nitze criteria

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Maury Markowitz, review follows: Article created 14 November; article of good length; article cited inline at the minimum ratio of one cite per paragraph to reliable sources (I presumed the paragraph preceding the block quote is cited to the same source, please revert if incorrect); no close paraphrasing to sources I could access; hook fact is cited in line and checks out; Just awaiting QPQ - Dumelow (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Mozn Hassan

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 14:54, 14 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 15[edit]

My Journey into the Heart of Terror: Ten Days in the Islamic State

Created by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 09:02, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Doo Aphane

  • Reviewed: To follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 23:27, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

Clotilde Niragira

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 22:49, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

Kwaku Kwarteng

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 15:58, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

The Rocking Carol

Mary and Jesus
Mary and Jesus
  • Reviewed: Dusty Allen
  • Comment: For the obligatory Christmas carol on Christmas Day (25th December)

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Never heard of that carol, thus interesting, on good-looking sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Obviously, the image is good for nothing in that size, looks almost abstract. I don't know why you don't have it larger at least in the article. But you can also drop it completely because it seems to have nothing particular to do with the song. - Striking the ALT, because I don't think we need to tell our readers that Christmas carols are about Jesus. - Thank you for using an infobox! It has a parameter "based_on" which you could use to say that it is based on a Czech carol. - Why do you mix title case with quotation marks? I think it should be The Rocking Carol or "Little Jesus, sweetly sleep", title or incipit. - I miss information on the tune, - the article gives me no idea how it sounds, besides "rocking". Number of stanzas? Number of lines per stanza? Metre? - I don't know how to understand "modern cradle". - Can you tell us if anybody still sings it, and who? - I grew up with "Stille Nacht", but never understood it as a lullaby: it's not even addressing the baby. Same for "Away in a manger". - Some time until Christmas to add. My song 2017 will be "Ich steh an deiner Krippen hier" this year, but I am still busy with Thanksgiving and end-of-the-church-year thoughts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I have added info about the metre, verse and lines. I have to disagree with you on the ALT is it is a subtle hint to the Queen "We Will Rock You" song. Quotation marks are used as it is common for songs and hymns to use these in DYK. I think we should use the image so there is the option of having the Nativity scene on the main page at Christmas, if you can think of a better image then let me know please. Modern cradle is being used compared with the manger (which probably wouldn't have rocked). Could you re-review and tick please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for adding, can you now also sort it a bit (history - text - tune - reception)? To avoid having a comparison before even a description? - I think the subtle hint is in the original hook also, no? I missed it, of course ;) - Quotation marks are for the the beginnings of hymns in sentence case, to set that text apart from other text. When it's already clear (by title case capitals, or italics, or the position in a table), they are not needed. - How about "more modern" or whatever, - "modern cradle" sounds like a contradiction in terms. Cradle fashionable when it was written? - I expect Johnbod to supply a Christmas card, therefore plan my hymn without image. If you want to keep the image in your article, please make some connection per caption. Or - better - find something where a "modern cradle" is visible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I have now made the changes. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. This is supposed to be a Christmas gift, right. Let's start polishing.
  • I made the featured image visible and gave it a proper caption. (Why would you use Virgin Mary, a redirect, when virginity is not a topic?) I avoided mentioning the 17th-century date.
  • I changed the caption, but ask again: can you describe before it's published, and not mix it with comparison (that's not analysis, which is looking at details of the given subject).
  • The link to baby Jesus in hook and article goes to a redirect, and that goes to Child, not baby, - I think Nativity of Jesus would be a better choice.
  • "The carol was first collected in 1920 in Czechoslovakia from a traditional Czech carol and was translated into English loosely by Percy Dearmer.", Sorry, I don't understand "collection from a carol", and say "freely" instead of "loosely". For a start. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

1120 Denny Way

  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 09:29, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article size and dates check out. Interesting subject and hook, sufficiently referenced; spot checks indicate no copy-plag issues. Only need the QPQ from SounderBruce for this to be good to go. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:29, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

An Comhdháil na Múinteoirí le Rincí Gaelacha

  • ... that An Comhdháil na Múinteoirí le Rincí Gaelacha broke away from the Irish Dancing Commission in 1970 after disputes about dance teachers' representation? Source: "Dance teachers had little of no representation as shown by the initial structure of An Coimisiún Le Rincí Gaelacha... most teachers felt a degree of alienation from the Commission" (John Cullinane, Aspects of the History of Oireachtas Rince na Cruinne)

Created by Triptothecottage (talk). Self-nominated at 10:30, 15 November 2017 (UTC).

Act Relative to Incorporations for Manufacturing Purposes of 1811

Created by Groupuscule (talk). Self-nominated at 04:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 16[edit]

Kappa-dera Temple

Cucumber offering to Kappas
Cucumber offering to Kappas
  • Comment: I intentionally have 'kappa' mentioned several times, I think this makes it more eye-catching.

Created by Jeanjung212 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

Sixbar wrasse

  • ... that the sixbar wrasse can use a rock as an anvil to break up its food? "This fish was fed with pellets that are too large to swallow and too hard to break up into manageable bits using jaws only. The observed individual carried a pellet to an anvil to break it up into pieces small enough to be swallowed."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

Frank Price

Created by GreenC (talk). Self-nominated at 02:47, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Ken Attafuah

  • ... that Canadian trained criminologist, Ken Attafuah, spent part of his secondary school education sleeping in a cocoa shed dormitory which was old and leaky? Source: [25]
    • ALT1:... that Canadian trained criminologist, Ken Attafuah, lost his first admission to secondary school because he could not raise the fees? Source: [26]
    • ALT2:... that Ghanaian criminologist, Ken Attafuah served as Commissioner for Human Rights in British Columbia, Canada? Source: [27]
    • ALT3:... that criminologist Ken Attafuah, head of Ghana's identification authority, could not attend Prempeh College because of poverty? Source: [28]

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 12:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Paddy Mahon

Created/expanded by Nigej (talk). Self-nominated at 22:17, 19 November 2017 (UTC).

Laureus World Sports Awards

  • ... that in 2017, the Refugee Olympic Team at the 2016 Summer Olympics won the Sporting Inspiration Award at the Laureus World Sports Awards? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Improved to Good Article status by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 12:54, 17 November 2017 (UTC).

Salsa Big Band

Created by Jaespinoza (talk). Self-nominated at 06:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Joseph Anokye

  • ... that former NASA engineer, Joseph Anokye, was deported from Kenya because some people feared he could manipulate election results? Source:[29]
    • ALT1:... that after working with NASA for over 18 years, Joseph Anokye, was described as an electoral mercenary in Kenya? Source:[30]
    • ALT2:... that former NASA engineer, Joseph Anokye, is now the head of Ghana's communications authority? Source: [31]
    • ALT3:... that through technology, Joseph Anokye, predicted the winner of Ghana's election just eight hours after polls closed? Source:[32]

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 16:13, 17 November 2017 (UTC).

Cartwrightia, Cartwrightia cartwrighti

C. cartwrighti
C. cartwrighti
  • ... that an illustration (pictured) of the Cartwrightia scarab Cartwrightia cartwrighti was printed on the invitations for entomologist Oscar Ling Cartwright's retirement party? Source: "As part of his description of that species, he included a beautiful illustration of it drawn by a friend and Scientific Illustrator, Elsie Herbold Froeschner. This illustration appeared as a logo on the invitation to his retirement party and on a gift of stationery he received at the party." [33]
    • ALT1:... that the Federico Islas Salas named the scarab genus Cartwrightia after Oscar Ling Cartwright, who in turn named Cartwrightia cartwrighti (pictured) after his brother Raymond Kenneth Cartwright? Source: "One patronym that especially delighted him was the scarab genus Cartwrightia, dedicated to him by a Mexican colleague, Federico Islas, in 1958. Nine years later, [...] Cartwright named a new species in "his" genus for his brother who had occasionally collected aphodiine scarabs for him" [34].
    • ALT2:... that the Cartwrightia scarab Cartwrightia cartwrighti (pictured) was named by Oscar Ling Cartwright? Source: ibid

Created by Umimmak (talk). Self-nominated at 04:32, 17 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 18[edit]

J. P. Crawford

Improved to Good Article status by TheGracefulSlick (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Hou Zongbin

  • Reviewed: TBD

5x expanded by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 18:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Max Schmalzl

  • ... that although he did not sign many of his works, a partnership with the publisher Pustet made the work of Max Schmalzl known throughout the world? Source: [35]; see p. 56, "die Signatur seiner Werke verzichtete" ('he declined to apply his signature [to his illustrations]'), and "die massenphänomenartige Präsenz seiner Werke in erster Linie aus der fast 50 Jahre währenden Zusammenarbeit mit dem Regensburger Verlag Friedrich Pustet resultiert" ('the ubiquitous presence of his works resulted primarily from the nearly 50-year-long collaboration with the Regensburg publishing house Friedrich Pustet').
    • ALT1:... that Max Schmalzl was called "the Bavarian Fra Angelico"? Source: [36]; p. 319, "...rührend frommen Redemptoristenbruder Max Schmalzl vom Kloster Gars am Inn für den «bayerischen Fra Angelico da Fiesole»."

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self-nominated at 11:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Science Moms

Created by Rp2006 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:05, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Comment - the ALT1 wording relies heavily on a non-independent source; the groundedparents.com article is written by Kavin Senapathy who is featured in the documentary. Given this sourcing, this wording should not be used. Dialectric (talk) 20:36, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Obras Son Amores

  • Reviewed: Pending

Created by Jaespinoza (talk). Self-nominated at 20:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC).

Taiwan partridge

Taiwan partridge
Taiwan partridge
  • ... that Robert Swinhoe initially thought that the "ugly raw-looking red patch on the throat" of the Taiwan partridge (pictured) was an injury? Source: "the most striking peculiarity was in their all having an ugly raw-looking red patch on the throat. I thought it curious that all the birds should be so injured, if the peculiarity arose from an injury; but, on examining them closely, I found that the bare throat was natural." Ibis

5x expanded by Gulumeemee (talk). Self-nominated at 02:41, 19 November 2017 (UTC).

Geology of Myanmar

Overall tectonics of Myanmar
Overall tectonics of Myanmar
  • ... that the Shan Plateau in eastern Myanmar (location illustrated) averages one kilometer high? Source: " "The Shan Plateau And Western Burma: Mesozoic-Cenozoic Plate Boundaries and Correlations with Tibet"
  • alt1 ... that Myanmar produces world's finest rubies? Gardiner, Nicholas J.; Robb, Laurence J.; Morley, Christopher K.; Searle, Michael P.; Cawood, Peter A.; Whitehouse, Martin J.; Kirkland, Christopher L.; Roberts, Nick M. W.; Myint, Tin Aung (2016-12-01). "The tectonic and metallogenic framework of Myanmar: A Tethyan mineral system"
  • alt2 ... that Myanmar is one of the places that sits right above three tectonic plates? Searle, M. P.; Noble, S. R.; Cottle, J. M.; Waters, D. J.; Mitchell, A. H. G.; Hlaing, Tin; Horstwood, M. S. A. (2007-06-01). "Tectonic evolution of the Mogok metamorphic belt, Burma (Myanmar) constrained by U-Th-Pb dating of metamorphic and magmatic rocks"
  • Reviewed: Battle of Kharistan
  • Comment: part of University of Hong Kong/Regional Geology (Fall Semester 2017)

Moved to mainspace by Eunicecyl (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 10:38, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Qinling Orogenic Belt

Qinling  Mountains
Qinling Mountains
  • Reviewed: Wolfgang Hohlbein
  • Comment: part of University of Hong Kong/Regional Geology (Fall Semester 2017)

Moved to mainspace by YCYBenjamin (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 10:29, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Remote sensing (geology)

Richat Structure by Shuttle Radar Topography Mission
Richat Structure by Shuttle Radar Topography Mission
  • ... that remote sensing (example pictured) helps geologists study otherwise inaccessible areas, even other planets? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that remote sensing (example pictured) can help geological studies of inaccessible areas where earth scientists find it hard to reach? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: Juanita Musson
  • Comment: part of University of Hong Kong/Regional Geology (Fall Semester 2017)

Moved to mainspace by Wcpatrick6572 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 09:52, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Eoarchean geology

  • ... that Earth's earliest rocks look a little like Hawaii's rocks, but may have little in common with today's plate tectonic rocks? Source:
    • ALT1:... that Earth's earliest rocks are dominantly volcanic? Source:
    • ALT2:... that Earth's tectonics could have operated very differently in Early Archean times compared to the present-day mechanism?

Moved to mainspace by Youknowwhoiwillbe (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 07:55, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Geology of Sicily

Simplified geological map of Sicily
Simplified geological map of Sicily
  • ... that Calabria was once attached to Sardinia before it moved to Sicily? Source: Gvirtzman, Z., & Nur, A. (2001). Residual topography, lithospheric structure and sunken slabs in the central Mediterranean
    • ALT1:... that Sicily is known for its history of native sulfur production? Source: Ferrara, V. (2016). The Sulphur Mining Industry in Sicily

Created by FieldsetJ (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 07:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Geology of Hainan Island

Simplified Geological Map for Hainan Island
Simplified Geological Map for Hainan Island
  • ... that Hainan island is dominated by rocks that crystallized from melts? Source: Xu, D., Wang, Z., Wu, C., Zhou, Y., Shan, Q., Hou, M., ... & Zhang, X. (2017). "Mesozoic gold mineralization in Hainan Province of South China: Genetic types, geological characteristics and geodynamic settings"
    • ALT1:... that Hainan island has two sets of faults aligned east-west and northeast-southwest? Source: Xu, D., Wang, Z., Wu, C., Zhou, Y., Shan, Q., Hou, M., ... & Zhang, X. (2017). "Mesozoic gold mineralization in Hainan Province of South China: Genetic types, geological characteristics and geodynamic settings"
  • Reviewed: Vice News Tonight
  • Comment: part of University of Hong Kong/Regional Geology (Fall Semester 2017)

Moved to mainspace by Wlamwk (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 07:23, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Hadean zircon

Electron probe microanalyser produced by Cambridge Scientific Instrument Company used to study extremely ancient zircon grains
Electron probe microanalyser produced by Cambridge Scientific Instrument Company used to study extremely ancient zircon grains

Moved to mainspace by Karaclc (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 05:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Lutetium-hafnium dating

Moved to mainspace by GeoJeremy (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 05:41, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Dinosaur dental histology

  • ... that dinosaur teeth have rings like trees? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that you can count rings in dinosaur teeth to determine their age? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: SS Andaste
  • Comment: part of Regional Geology (Fall Semester 2017)

Moved to mainspace by Dinohk (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:53, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Divergent double subduction

Molucca Sea Cross Section an example of divergent double subduction
Molucca Sea Cross Section an example of divergent double subduction

Moved to mainspace by Leonkh (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

North China Craton

high level map of the North China Craton
high level map of the North China Craton
  • Reviewed: Anna Marguerite McCann
  • Comment: part of University of Hong Kong/Regional Geology (Fall Semester 2017)

5x expanded by Celiayangyy (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:22, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Numerical modeling (geology)

Numerical modeling of a seismic wave from an earthquake
Numerical modeling of a seismic wave from an earthquake

Created by Kakitc (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:37, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Gravity of Mars

Mars Bouguer gravity map, produced along with the GMM-3 gravity solution in 2016
Mars Bouguer gravity map, produced along with the GMM-3 gravity solution in 2016
Mars crustal thickness histogram
Mars crustal thickness histogram
  • ... that many Martian basins (gravity map of Mars illustrated) have a negative free air gravity anomaly? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that the gravity of Mars shows that the thickness of the crust is most often 32 or 58 km? (graph of thickness pictured) Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: Hubertus Leteng
  • Comment: part of University of Hong Kong/Regional Geology (Fall Semester 2017)

Moved to mainspace by Xaviertang (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 05:11, 18 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 19[edit]

Ge Jianxiong, Zhou Zhenhe

  • ... that Ge Jianxiong, who did not go to college, and Zhou Zhenhe, a mining engineer, became the first two recipients of the doctoral degree in humanities awarded in China? Source: [37]

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 18:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Olga FitzGeorge

Olga FitzGeorge (center) with her grandfather, father, and son.
Olga FitzGeorge (center) with her grandfather, father, and son.

Moved to mainspace by West Virginian (talk). Self-nominated at 21:28, 19 November 2017 (UTC).

World Day of the Poor

A poor child at a landfill site

Created/expanded by Sylwia Ufnalska (talk). Self-nominated at 00:36, 19 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg. New enough, all ¶ with citations, a copyvio check reveals no problems. The article is too short. See WP:DYKRULES for more information. Also, this nomination presently has no content. North America1000 00:40, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
  • N.b. Content added above (diff). North America1000 00:59, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 20[edit]

Polity of the Lacedaemonians

Created by Dr.K. (talk). Self-nominated at 03:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, well sourced.There is no copy violation or close paraphrasing. At reference part, there is three same sources! So I suggests using wp:FN without removing reference. It is better cite more sources to confirming the Notability. Hook is interesting, in line cited and supported. Thanks.Saff V. (talk) 12:06, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The notability of this classical work of Xenophon which is published in 8 other wikis is beyond any question. The sources are excellent and cited by different page numbers which is completely allowed and there is no need to use FN. Please change this to a pass, otherwise I will ask for another reviewer. Dr. K. 14:25, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
  • According to the which rules, does the notability depend on publishing article in another wikis?! Please be tolerant and allow to improve article for DYK!Saff V. (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
  • This is one of the greatest classical works of all time. If you don't understand that it is very notable you have no place reviewing it. I will ask for another reviewer. Dr. K. 15:33, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Samuel Abu Jinapor

  • ... that Samuel Jinapor was appointed deputy Chief of Staff of the President of Ghana at age 33? Source:[38]
    • ALT1:... that Samuel Jinapor was critised for taking a selfie during the general assembly of the UN whiles his president was presenting his address? Source: [39]
    • ALT2:... that Samuel Jinapor and his brother John Jinapor have played key roles in the two biggest political parties in Ghana? Source: [40]

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 16:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Good Omens (TV series)

  • Reviewed: Will review something later
  • Comment: If anyone can create a catchier hook, be my guest. I think the fact that Pratchett predicted Gaiman's unwillingness is sufficiently interesting for a DYK hook but it probably could be more concise. Regards SoWhy 16:38, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace by SoWhy (talk). Self-nominated at 16:38, 20 November 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 21[edit]

Fatuma binti Yusuf al-Alawi

  • Reviewed: To follow
  • Comment: After writing this article I discovered there was a pre-existing stub at Queen Fatuma of Zanzibar. I have redirected this to the new article as it contained no new information. The new article is at least 5x bigger than the old in any case

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 13:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

Hassan Ahmed (Ghanaian diplomat)

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 11:09, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

Joo Koon rail accident

  • Reviewed: To follow/In progress

Created by Mailer diablo (talk). Self-nominated at 11:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
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Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 14:50, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

  • As this is your fifth nomination, no QPQ is required. However, you will need a QPQ for any new nominations.
    Of the two hooks, I'd approve ALT1 because it has less jargon. However, both hooks are a little unclear. The subway station is in Singapore, but the vast majority of casual readers wouldn't know that. How about this: epicgenius (talk) 14:50, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Edric Norfolk Vaux Morisset

Created/expanded by Mahveotm (talk). Self-nominated at 12:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC).

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